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Lickgranuloma?

Hi,
First of all, thanks for this forum. I'm sure we all appreciate it. I know I do.

Ok, on to the problem... I have a 9 year old Golden/chow/who knows what else mix breed dog. She developed a sore on her left forepaw about a year ago. I have taken her to see 3 different vets, and so far, none of them have been able to do a **** thing for her. All three vets took fluid and check for cancer, thankfully, they all concur that she doesn't have cancer. One vet discovered a ear infection while checking her for the paw and gave me a liquid (stereoids?) for her ear which seemed to help the sore at the same time (the sore got smaller). Unfortunately, we are out of the liquid for her ear and they won't give me it again for the leg...

One doctor has given her 2 shot (stereoids again, I think) directly into the sore (she seems unfazed by this) and had me apply a salve to the sore. This has not helped noticably. I tried to put a collar on her so that she doesn't lick it (which she does constantly) and she refused to eat and kept running into things for the half a day or so that I made her wear it.

Now, her leg is sometimes bleeding and in the past couple days, she's developed a slight limp. We have an appointment to see the doctor who is giving her shots drectly into the wound this week but I'm wondering if there's anything else you can suggest that we do. I don't really want to have her undergo surgery at her age. Perhaps I should get the shot, slap a collar on her and then ignore those plaitive brown eyes pleading for me to take that thing OFF???

HELP!

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Hi,

Welcome to the wonderful world of lick granulomas! They are an extremely frustrating disease to treat, not only for the owner but also for the veterinarian.

I could write an entire chapter on lick granulomas so I will have to abbreviate a little here. There are three very important things to think about when you are treating this disease. If you don't respect all three, then the outcome will not be as good and trust me, the odds are definitely against you with this disease.

Firstly, you need to address the infection. Usually, these granulomas are very deep infections, sometimes going all the way down to the bone. (Keep in mind that I haven't seen your pet so I'm going to talk in general terms here.) Long term antibiotics (sometimes six weeks or more) are often needed to get the infection under control. Ideally, a culture is done to make sure that the bacteria in the wound are sensitive to the antibiotics that you are using. I have had some dogs do very well on antibiotics alone.

Secondly, you need to prevent the licking. There are various ways of doing this and none of them work in every dog. I have used plastic medical collars, bandages, bitter creams and even "Bite Not" collars. Yes, the medical collars make the dogs look very pathetic but sometimes that is the only thing that will work. Of course, the goal is not to make your dog wear the collar permanently.

Thirdly, you need to find out the underlying cause. This is very important. Why is the dog eating itself?? In some dogs, it is a behaviour problem; these dogs may be a little high strung or easily bored or away from their owner too long or . . . . well, there can be many reasons why dogs are anxious. There are medications to help with these problems (clomicalm is one of these) but as with most behaviour problems, you need to do behaviour therapy as well. One of the most neglected aspects of owning a pet is exercise. How often do you take your pet for a good run or a long brisk walk? How often do you play ball? For some owners, I recommend getting a pet sitter who can come and entertain the dog in the middle of the day. A tired dog is less likely to lick itself constantly. (As an aside here, I had one dog who had a lick granuloma who briefly cured itself after it found a mouse in the owner's fountain. The dog spent hours trying to find the mouse and left his leg alone!)

Sometimes, these dogs are allergic and so must be treated for underlying allergies. Food allergies or pollen allergies can be the culprit. Even arthritis in the joint can cause a dog to lick at it. I often do an xray of the joint to check for this.

Lastly, it is SO important to find a veterinarian who is willing to take the time to guide you through these obstacles. I strongly recommend you seek the opinion of a dermatologist or a veterinarian who is very interested in dermatology.

Good luck with this very frustrating disease.

drphilvegasvet

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Thanks for the reply.

My dog is not left at home without me all day. I own my own business and she is allowed to go with me, all day every day so I highly doubt it's some sort of psychosis. How would I go about getting her tested for food allergies? And, how wuld I find a vet who's REALLY good at this kind of thing? I've taken her to 3 different vets and while they are all reputable, none of them seem to be able to figure out what is wrong. I'm SO frustrated!

Thanks so much for the information you've already given me!

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Where do you live? You need to go see a doggie dermatologist which shouldn't be a problem unless you live somewhere REALLY isolated.

Ask your vet for a referral. Don't hesitate to do it!

drphilvegasvet

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I live near Atlanta, she has an appointment on Thursday with her current vet, I will ask for a referral then.

Thank YOU!

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You shouldn't have a problem finding a dermatologist near Atlanta.

Wishing you the best of luck,
drphilvegasvet

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In searching the web looking for a solution to the lick granuloma for my 11 year old Bichon Frise, Louie, I happened on atlhalfjap's correspondance with drphilvegasvet. I have been struggling with this problem for 8 years, and was desperate for an answer. I immediately requested a prescription of antibiotics from the vet, which Louie is now on. I also did what I have been putting off all these years as a last resort, bought a plastic collar, certain he would reject it. To my complete surprise, he put up a small struggle, but when I ignored it, he calmed down and wore it overnight and all of today.
I think this was the first night in at least 8 years that he has not licked his leg.I am so hopeful and appreciative that I happened on that letter. Please dont give up easily on the collar.I am just angry with myself for not trying it sooner. By the way, I am also putting benadryl salve on his sore and plan to walk him twice a day instead of once. I realize that he does not lick after a walk, he's too tired. Good luck, and thanks to the doctor. Sharon

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Thanks for the kind words.

Lick granulomas are frustrating for everyone. I hope you find a patient veterinarian who is willing to guide you through the obstacles.

Good luck and take care,
drphilvegasvet

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An update on Louie, it has been two and a half weeks, he is still wearing the collar around the clock, and taking an antibiotic twice daily,he has not been licking, or even trying to, and his legs are healing nicely. Best of all, he seems much more active than he's been in years. He has a period in the evening when he has playtime, very rambunxious, his old self. He does not mind the collar at all. I still haven't figured out why he licked. I almost dread taking off the collar, for fear he will start licking again.
I am very thankful to you for your excellant advise. Sharon

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Glad things are going well with Louie. Don't stop the antibiotics too soon! Get those sores healed before you even think about removing the collar.

Take care,
drphil

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I pulled up this web site after putting in a search for lick granuloma and I'm so glad your website popped up. I have an 8 year old lab that has the sore on his front leg that is just terrible. He even went in for surgery 3 weeks ago and the vet called and said it was so large now that he couldn't do the surgery. What I'm worried about are the little pockets that enlarge with blood (like little cysts) and this tiny little hole appears and it finally drains out. I've put bandages on his leg this week but I'm afraid I'm making it worse (looks worse anyways). I'm thinking it needs to AIR heal instead of being bandaged but he does quit licking it when he can't get to it. The size of this thing is 3-1/2 inches long and about 2 inches wide. He has been on antiboiotics for about 12 days and I swear I don't see any improvement so I began putting neosporan and Betadine on it, then wrapping with a bandage. Now I don't know if its just getting worse or if I made it worse trying to make it better. Me and rascal are going crazy about this thing. I actually have him wearing old long sleave cotton t-shirts of mine so the sore can get air instead of putting bandages on it all the time. 120 pound chocolate male labadore wearing a bright print girly t-shirt is quite cute, but you can actually see the blood and drainage that seeps out quite alot on the sleeve. The bandages now stick to the same areas, so when I remove the bandages they hurt him and they begin to bleed again after removal. Please tell me what else I can do for my dog. Thank you very much for putting this web site up.

Darline

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These stories are sooo sad. Lick granulomas are very difficult problems but it seems like you are a great mom so I'll try to offer you some suggestions without the benefit of a full exam and prior history.

It is essential that he not lick at that area. This will be the hardest part of the therapy. The tshirt is a great idea, even if it is not the most fashion forward statement. Bandages are fine, as long as he leaves them alone and you change them frequently (sometimes as often as once daily). You might want to ask your vet about telfa pads which don't stick to the wounds (ouchless!).

12 days of antibiotics are not very long although I would expect to see SOME improvement, especially if he is not licking at that area. Which antibiotic are you using? I have kept some dogs on antibiotics for six weeks, although this is "extra-label" use in most cases.

If you are not getting enough information from your vet, then ask about a referral. If this turns into a chronic problem, then it can be impossible to clear up completely.

Good luck!!
drphil

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Dear athalfjap and everyone else,

My dog is 1 year old Alaskan Malamute and she has the exact same symptoms. Only the vet gave me something to put directly on the sore and it didn't help. So I got her a head coller to see if that helps and she also looks at me to take the dang thing off.

The vet told me that when she licks the sore it becomes a bad habit, so I have to try to break the "Bad Habit". I resently discovered that if you give her a bath in warm water with baby shampoo and then after she air drys put baby powder all over her fur ( make sure you get the sore spot(s)) it seems to make the her feel better and not lick herself.

It should help you out.

Sicerely,

jol1987

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Hi Everyone!

I have a 5 year old boxer named Chopper,lovely dog,but he licks and has Lickgranuloma,I took
dog to vet and he says sometimes when their thyroid
isn't putting out enough of whatever it puts out
they begin to lick,He gave me some thyroid pills and
that worked for awhile,but then he went back to licking,I now put an ointment on his paw called
resinol,when I put this on him,its a thick ointment
so it doesnt come off easily,and then I dress his
foot with a kids sock and then I tape this,and change
his dressing once a day in two days his sores were gone.