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RR

Jan 19, 06 - 9:05 PM

Fellowship.

Hiya. New member but I get word on the web emails. Was not aware there was an 'old' forum. Been on several other forums over the years. I am Christian and got a bit tired of having to defend it all the time on the last forum. I don't think Christians should hide from questions and scrutiny, just need the fellowship.

den

Feb 10th, 2006 - 4:32 PM

Re: Fellowship.

I agree with you

jesusfollower

Feb 24th, 2006 - 5:14 PM

Re: Fellowship.

yeah its true and a lo of christians run away from church because they are kinda attaked

Lance

Mar 1st, 2006 - 5:58 PM

Re: Fellowship.

I didn't run away from church because I was being attacked. I was simply tired of being in the baby class drinking milk when I should have been eating meat. Biblical scholars will recognize the writer to the Hebrews here. [Heb 5:12]

bambie

Mar 14th, 2006 - 11:30 PM

Re: Fellowship.

guys, if u have the opportunity read "the purpose driven life" by rick warren, just finishing readin it for the second time have decided to re read it as much as poss, if u dont already know, it goes thru ur purpose in life as described in the Bible in 40 days, one of the 5 purposes of life included is fellowship. its absolutely vital that Christians have fellowship with eachother, to be interdpendant and just share love. u cant be a Christian and not be in the Church, its impossible.

Paul

May 16th, 2006 - 9:02 PM

Re: Fellowship.

Hewbrews 10:25

Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

great verse ;)

jesusfollower

May 17th, 2006 - 4:06 PM

Re: Fellowship.

we gotta buld each other up and not down!!

Razten

May 17th, 2006 - 9:14 PM

Re: Fellowship.

how sentimental.
however why were 'you attacked' at your last church/forum?
i dont get it.

and if you take a faith bashing and still believe in that faith doesnt make your faith stronger?

if you suddenly thought that your faith was wrong and choose a different path, you probably werent that into it anyway.

Rachey Rach

May 17th, 2006 - 10:31 PM

Re: Fellowship.

So true.if you give up because faith is hard, you've missed the entire point of faith - it IS hard! not that you should really have to put up with loads of pressure to give up, i mean, its not nice or fun, and if theres somewhere else you can go thats gonna be more beneficial to you, then sure, move, theres no point in being unhappy if theres a place thats gonna build you up more positively instead.

i also have slight reservations about purpose driven life. its a great book, interesting read and all, but is a little commercialised for me. i guess i can just hear 'AMERICAN' throughout it, having looked at so many Christian authors writing similar kinda things. not that i dont think you should read it. you should. it will make you think and want to explore issues further if nothing else, which is always a good thing.

Dave__s

May 17th, 2006 - 11:28 PM

Re: Fellowship.

I know a lot of people who have read the Purpose Driven Life and loved it. They've taken a lot from it and come out the otherside feeling a fresh sense of understanding. Which I suppose is a good thing.

I started reading it, but to be honest I got a little bored. Maybe it was over hyped...

However, I would recommend anything by Brian McClaren. I mention this guy's name to everyone I meet... he should start paying me for all this advertising!

jesusfollower

May 18th, 2006 - 3:49 PM

Re: Fellowship.

hey raz
at some of my old churches i got really annoyed

as the christians are all more for them selves than God( we have all done it tiz easy)
but i feel wots the point in just sitting around church being bored if you can ministry and share koool stuff you found

plus i found churches would miss bits out of the bible n thats just silly

nyway enuf of this stuff

Razten

May 18th, 2006 - 8:09 PM

Re: Fellowship.

fair point JesusF

however i still fele that a bit of faith bashing and not bible bashing will teach you more, and reafirm your faith.

Paul

May 18th, 2006 - 9:04 PM

Re: Fellowship.

i can't imagine it would be incredibly useful going to a church where parts of the bible were skipped. I think Jesusfollwer did the right thing.

coz

May 20th, 2006 - 9:30 PM

Re: Fellowship.

i dont get da term 'bible bashing'? like, hittin a bible, or, readin, wa? an y do ppl use it as an insult? (nt aimed at u raz, u just reminded me lol)

Paul

May 20th, 2006 - 9:33 PM

Re: Fellowship.

I think the term "bible basher" means that you're trying to lay into people about the bible - keep on probing them about it (excessively). That's my interpretation..

coz

May 21st, 2006 - 7:31 PM

Re: Fellowship.

AHH... makes sense. thanks.

Razten

May 21st, 2006 - 8:30 PM

Re: Fellowship.

The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of Bible bashing;
Entry not found.

I have this t say on the subject of Bible Bashing;
Bible bashing is where one reads the bible as though it were the thing keeping them alive. They read it and read it, re-afirming their faith.

Paul

May 21st, 2006 - 10:01 PM

Re: Fellowship.

i'd say it was more reading it to other people - like in their face all the time

Rachey Rach

May 21st, 2006 - 10:35 PM

Re: Fellowship.

'Bible bashing is where one reads the bible as though it were the thing keeping them alive. They read it and read it, re-afirming their faith.'

Wow! i want to be a bible basher! if i could do that, i'd be pretty pleased with with how i was doing in life.

it's generally been used as a derogatory term before though, being overpowering in your arguments, shoving Christianity down people's throats, not accepting their view, and so on.

Razten

May 22nd, 2006 - 7:08 PM

Re: Fellowship.

Not where im from.
A Bible basher's most common trait is to be able to quote any random part of the bible.

luvin jesus 4 life

May 22nd, 2006 - 7:16 PM

Re: Fellowship.

i get a really hard time at skl 4 bein christian. my frends seem really against it and we always end up arguing. i dunno if i shud just keep my mouth shut or wat but wen sum1 says something like 'how could jesus possibly be the son of god' i want to defend jesus and explain it to them. do u think im bible bashing?

Dave__s

May 23rd, 2006 - 2:56 AM

Re: Fellowship.

I find actions speak very loudly.

Who knows, act the right way and people might start asking questions for themselves...

jesusfollower

May 23rd, 2006 - 10:27 AM

Re: Fellowship.

no you should speak
dont hide the truth!!! and your speaking it
plus dont worry about them giving you a hard time because the Lord is pleased with you

and wouldnt the risk be worthy if it is for God

plus maybe you should pray before you speak about what your going to say so that it doesnt end in an argument, just an idea

and read some proverbs( but ask God to reveal him self through the stuff you read cos otherwise you'll just get bored

God bless the lord is with you dont worry!

Dave__s

May 23rd, 2006 - 5:05 PM

Re: Fellowship.

I fear we may have misunderstood each other.

I absolutely think it's important to discuss your faith with other people. However, I believe it is more important to let THEM make the first move.

In my opinion, we need to stop seeing "non-Christians" as something broken that needs to be fixed. We should start seeing them as human beings. Be friends with them. Listen to them. Treat them like Jesus treated the sinners around him. Stand up for honour and justice. Live with peace and discipline- People notice things like this. (After all, sort the plank out in your own eye before critising the speck in your neighbours.)

Then they will ask you questions. They will start to uncover things for themselves. I find that someone who asks the question for themselves is much more likely to listen the answer...

I believe it was St Francis of Assisi who said "Preach the gospel at all times, and if necessary use words."

Razten

May 23rd, 2006 - 7:54 PM

Re: Fellowship.

I agree with more Dave_S then anyone else here.
There is nothing more annoying then a christian telling you that your wrong and that Jesus is the messiah, if you dont believe it.

If you need to tell them, then let it be bit by bit, let them see how the ways of 'God' effects them. Just dont let them feel as though they are in the wrong.

Paul

May 23rd, 2006 - 10:15 PM

Re: Fellowship.

We're having a massive youth event in our area this summer called "The Noise". Basically showing God's love by cleaning the neighbourhood, cars and gardens all for free. What's more is that we're doing a free BBQ and quiz night for everyone who wants to come.

Though there are Christian events going on at the same time. The main way we'll get evangelism done is by people asking "Who are you? Why are you doing all this for free?"

The moto/slogan for the event is "Actions Speak Louder"

(www.thenoisehuntingdon.com for more details)

Paul

May 24th, 2006 - 7:44 AM

Re: Fellowship.

just realised the website is wrong - it's actually www.thenoisehuntingdon.co.uk

luvin jesus 4 life

May 24th, 2006 - 5:09 PM

Re: Fellowship.

thanks for your advice. i'll try it out

Jena

Aug 27th, 2006 - 2:01 AM

Re: Fellowship.

"In my opinion, we need to stop seeing "non-Christians" as something broken that needs to be fixed. We should start seeing them as human beings. Be friends with them. Listen to them. Treat them like Jesus treated the sinners around him. Stand up for honour and justice. Live with peace and discipline- People notice things like this. (After all, sort the plank out in your own eye before critising the speck in your neighbours.)"

I totally agree!
People can tell a mile away if you talk down to them, or treat them as if there's something wrong with them. And they're certainly not going to listen to someone who approaches them in that way! If, as a Christian, you are confident, calm, happy, sincere and kind in your everyday life then people do notice and respect you, and they will listen to you a lot more. I say this from experience of meeting other Christians who I really admired - I'm still getting there myself lol!

It makes me sad when Christian hide away within a Christian culture; I don't think there are enough of us out there in the 'real world'.

Jena

Aug 27th, 2006 - 2:06 AM

Re: Fellowship.

Oh and yeah, at my school a 'bible basher' was someone who was very forceful or judgemental in their beliefs. Like the guys you see in the street occasionally shouting about how we're all going to hell. But I guess it gets used differently in different dialects.

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RR Jan 19, 06 - 9:05 PM	Fellowship. Hiya. New member but I get word on the web emails. Was not aware there was an 'old' forum. Been on several other forums over the years. I am Christian and got a bit tired of having to defend it all the time on the last forum. I don't think Christians should hide from questions and scrutiny, just need the fellowship.
den Feb 10th, 2006 - 4:32 PM	Re: Fellowship. I agree with you
jesusfollower Feb 24th, 2006 - 5:14 PM	Re: Fellowship. yeah its true and a lo of christians run away from church because they are kinda attaked
Lance Mar 1st, 2006 - 5:58 PM	Re: Fellowship. I didn't run away from church because I was being attacked. I was simply tired of being in the baby class drinking milk when I should have been eating meat. Biblical scholars will recognize the writer to the Hebrews here. [Heb 5:12]
bambie Mar 14th, 2006 - 11:30 PM	Re: Fellowship. guys, if u have the opportunity read "the purpose driven life" by rick warren, just finishing readin it for the second time have decided to re read it as much as poss, if u dont already know, it goes thru ur purpose in life as described in the Bible in 40 days, one of the 5 purposes of life included is fellowship. its absolutely vital that Christians have fellowship with eachother, to be interdpendant and just share love. u cant be a Christian and not be in the Church, its impossible.
Paul May 16th, 2006 - 9:02 PM	Re: Fellowship. Hewbrews 10:25 Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. great verse ;)
jesusfollower May 17th, 2006 - 4:06 PM	Re: Fellowship. we gotta buld each other up and not down!!
Razten May 17th, 2006 - 9:14 PM	Re: Fellowship. how sentimental. however why were 'you attacked' at your last church/forum? i dont get it. and if you take a faith bashing and still believe in that faith doesnt make your faith stronger? if you suddenly thought that your faith was wrong and choose a different path, you probably werent that into it anyway.
Rachey Rach May 17th, 2006 - 10:31 PM	Re: Fellowship. So true.if you give up because faith is hard, you've missed the entire point of faith - it IS hard! not that you should really have to put up with loads of pressure to give up, i mean, its not nice or fun, and if theres somewhere else you can go thats gonna be more beneficial to you, then sure, move, theres no point in being unhappy if theres a place thats gonna build you up more positively instead. i also have slight reservations about purpose driven life. its a great book, interesting read and all, but is a little commercialised for me. i guess i can just hear 'AMERICAN' throughout it, having looked at so many Christian authors writing similar kinda things. not that i dont think you should read it. you should. it will make you think and want to explore issues further if nothing else, which is always a good thing.
Dave__s May 17th, 2006 - 11:28 PM	Re: Fellowship. I know a lot of people who have read the Purpose Driven Life and loved it. They've taken a lot from it and come out the otherside feeling a fresh sense of understanding. Which I suppose is a good thing. I started reading it, but to be honest I got a little bored. Maybe it was over hyped... However, I would recommend anything by Brian McClaren. I mention this guy's name to everyone I meet... he should start paying me for all this advertising!
jesusfollower May 18th, 2006 - 3:49 PM	Re: Fellowship. hey raz at some of my old churches i got really annoyed as the christians are all more for them selves than God( we have all done it tiz easy) but i feel wots the point in just sitting around church being bored if you can ministry and share koool stuff you found plus i found churches would miss bits out of the bible n thats just silly nyway enuf of this stuff
Razten May 18th, 2006 - 8:09 PM	Re: Fellowship. fair point JesusF however i still fele that a bit of faith bashing and not bible bashing will teach you more, and reafirm your faith.
Paul May 18th, 2006 - 9:04 PM	Re: Fellowship. i can't imagine it would be incredibly useful going to a church where parts of the bible were skipped. I think Jesusfollwer did the right thing.
coz May 20th, 2006 - 9:30 PM	Re: Fellowship. i dont get da term 'bible bashing'? like, hittin a bible, or, readin, wa? an y do ppl use it as an insult? (nt aimed at u raz, u just reminded me lol)
Paul May 20th, 2006 - 9:33 PM	Re: Fellowship. I think the term "bible basher" means that you're trying to lay into people about the bible - keep on probing them about it (excessively). That's my interpretation..
coz May 21st, 2006 - 7:31 PM	Re: Fellowship. AHH... makes sense. thanks.
Razten May 21st, 2006 - 8:30 PM	Re: Fellowship. The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of Bible bashing; Entry not found. I have this t say on the subject of Bible Bashing; Bible bashing is where one reads the bible as though it were the thing keeping them alive. They read it and read it, re-afirming their faith.
Paul May 21st, 2006 - 10:01 PM	Re: Fellowship. i'd say it was more reading it to other people - like in their face all the time
Rachey Rach May 21st, 2006 - 10:35 PM	Re: Fellowship. 'Bible bashing is where one reads the bible as though it were the thing keeping them alive. They read it and read it, re-afirming their faith.' Wow! i want to be a bible basher! if i could do that, i'd be pretty pleased with with how i was doing in life. it's generally been used as a derogatory term before though, being overpowering in your arguments, shoving Christianity down people's throats, not accepting their view, and so on.
Razten May 22nd, 2006 - 7:08 PM	Re: Fellowship. Not where im from. A Bible basher's most common trait is to be able to quote any random part of the bible.
luvin jesus 4 life May 22nd, 2006 - 7:16 PM	Re: Fellowship. i get a really hard time at skl 4 bein christian. my frends seem really against it and we always end up arguing. i dunno if i shud just keep my mouth shut or wat but wen sum1 says something like 'how could jesus possibly be the son of god' i want to defend jesus and explain it to them. do u think im bible bashing?
Dave__s May 23rd, 2006 - 2:56 AM	Re: Fellowship. I find actions speak very loudly. Who knows, act the right way and people might start asking questions for themselves...
jesusfollower May 23rd, 2006 - 10:27 AM	Re: Fellowship. no you should speak dont hide the truth!!! and your speaking it plus dont worry about them giving you a hard time because the Lord is pleased with you and wouldnt the risk be worthy if it is for God plus maybe you should pray before you speak about what your going to say so that it doesnt end in an argument, just an idea and read some proverbs( but ask God to reveal him self through the stuff you read cos otherwise you'll just get bored God bless the lord is with you dont worry!
Dave__s May 23rd, 2006 - 5:05 PM	Re: Fellowship. I fear we may have misunderstood each other. I absolutely think it's important to discuss your faith with other people. However, I believe it is more important to let THEM make the first move. In my opinion, we need to stop seeing "non-Christians" as something broken that needs to be fixed. We should start seeing them as human beings. Be friends with them. Listen to them. Treat them like Jesus treated the sinners around him. Stand up for honour and justice. Live with peace and discipline- People notice things like this. (After all, sort the plank out in your own eye before critising the speck in your neighbours.) Then they will ask you questions. They will start to uncover things for themselves. I find that someone who asks the question for themselves is much more likely to listen the answer... I believe it was St Francis of Assisi who said "Preach the gospel at all times, and if necessary use words."
Razten May 23rd, 2006 - 7:54 PM	Re: Fellowship. I agree with more Dave_S then anyone else here. There is nothing more annoying then a christian telling you that your wrong and that Jesus is the messiah, if you dont believe it. If you need to tell them, then let it be bit by bit, let them see how the ways of 'God' effects them. Just dont let them feel as though they are in the wrong.
Paul May 23rd, 2006 - 10:15 PM	Re: Fellowship. We're having a massive youth event in our area this summer called "The Noise". Basically showing God's love by cleaning the neighbourhood, cars and gardens all for free. What's more is that we're doing a free BBQ and quiz night for everyone who wants to come. Though there are Christian events going on at the same time. The main way we'll get evangelism done is by people asking "Who are you? Why are you doing all this for free?" The moto/slogan for the event is "Actions Speak Louder" (www.thenoisehuntingdon.com for more details)
Paul May 24th, 2006 - 7:44 AM	Re: Fellowship. just realised the website is wrong - it's actually www.thenoisehuntingdon.co.uk
luvin jesus 4 life May 24th, 2006 - 5:09 PM	Re: Fellowship. thanks for your advice. i'll try it out
Jena Aug 27th, 2006 - 2:01 AM	Re: Fellowship. "In my opinion, we need to stop seeing "non-Christians" as something broken that needs to be fixed. We should start seeing them as human beings. Be friends with them. Listen to them. Treat them like Jesus treated the sinners around him. Stand up for honour and justice. Live with peace and discipline- People notice things like this. (After all, sort the plank out in your own eye before critising the speck in your neighbours.)" I totally agree! People can tell a mile away if you talk down to them, or treat them as if there's something wrong with them. And they're certainly not going to listen to someone who approaches them in that way! If, as a Christian, you are confident, calm, happy, sincere and kind in your everyday life then people do notice and respect you, and they will listen to you a lot more. I say this from experience of meeting other Christians who I really admired - I'm still getting there myself lol! It makes me sad when Christian hide away within a Christian culture; I don't think there are enough of us out there in the 'real world'.
Jena Aug 27th, 2006 - 2:06 AM	Re: Fellowship. Oh and yeah, at my school a 'bible basher' was someone who was very forceful or judgemental in their beliefs. Like the guys you see in the street occasionally shouting about how we're all going to hell. But I guess it gets used differently in different dialects.